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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jun 28, 2010 2:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DDP v.8

Far be it from me to presume to tell anyone what they should or should not like,but to make somewhat demeaning and what I feel are misleading statements about some of the bands best work in their best era deserved addressing.As from what I took from your response Grendel,is the parts you like are improv jamming and what you don't like is noise.Well to each his own but I don't find that to be a very enlightened perspective,or at all an actuality.As for what they did on the post 74' versions of Dark Star is of little consequence since the bands talent for that level of musical expression had totally evaporated into a haze of heroin,Heniken's and disinterest.For some of us those atonal,dissonant forays in Dark Star,Playin' and the Other One are what the band is truly all about.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jun 28, 2010 4:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DDP v.8

In response to why I think there is a track on Live/Dead called Feedback,to compare what the band did in the 60's with feedback and how they on occasion used it in their more freewheeling jams in the early 70's is not a logical comparison.There is a track on the album and many instances in the 60's of the guitarists forcing their instruments to feedback and all 3 of them making music of the resultant sounds ,that is not quite the same as Phil or Jer playing around with some feedback noises for a bit during an extensive improvisation,what I would call that is music not noise.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jun 29, 2010 5:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DDP v.8

Not to get into a whole "thing" with you here, but it's hard to understand how you can say 'to each his own', and be upset that I've disparaged with 'misleading' statements the band's music re: parts of DS's from 72-74 when you then write a blanket judgment statement like this:

"...As for what they did on the post 74' versions of Dark Star is of little consequence since the bands talent for that level of musical expression had totally evaporated into a haze of heroin,Heniken's and disinterest."

That's pretty insulting and many here would argue unfair and misleading about the band's post 1974 output, DarkStar or otherwise...I would say the Winterland New Years '78 DarkStar stands up quite well and I doubt anyone who was there for the Berkeley '84 DS encore complained about a lack of interest...ditto the DS's that were revived w/Branford around 1990 and continued with fine contributions from Hornsby in 1991.

If you're offended that I don't like the dissonance that (in my view) mar sections of otherwise brilliant '72''74 Darkstars, that's fine...but to go on and dismiss the rest of the band's post 74 output shows a real and unfair bias the belies the facts. (not to mention that the band did many a drug prior to 1974 and Jerry himself was quoted often as saying some of those early shows were among the band's worst as a result.)

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jun 29, 2010 10:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DDP v.8

First of all I am neither upset nor offended by your opinions on the music we discussed since it makes no difference whatsoever to me.As for the comments about misleading and demeaning they were referring to another poster not you.As for the post 74' Dark Stars to compare that lot of lame shit to the brilliance that was pre-74' is laughable and not worthy of discussion.

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Poster: Skobud Date: Jun 30, 2010 5:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DDP v.8

Jerlouvis

I am assuming you are talking about me and my use of "unintelligible feedback" again. I already explained what I meant to you once already. I'm not sure why you are now saying my post was "misleading and demeaning". Take a step back and read your own posts, you are taking my use of semantics in describing Dark Star waaaay to seriously. My opinion is not a reflection on you in any way. If you read what I wrote you will see we are in agreement, not at odds.

Perhaps we can agree that this is a great show and leave it at that?



This post was modified by Skobud on 2010-06-30 12:26:40

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jul 19, 2014 1:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DDP v.8


This post was modified by jerlouvis on 2014-07-11 20:20:59

This post was modified by jerlouvis on 2014-07-19 20:56:04

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Poster: Skobud Date: Jul 1, 2010 5:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DDP v.8

No worries jerlouvis. I agree with you for the most part about post 74 GD. I really dont listen to much. Peace.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jun 29, 2010 1:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: DDP v.8

It's ALL worthy of discussion--it's the Dead!

Nothing wrong w/having varying viewpoints...I was listening to the Darkstar from 12/11/72 today and just as I suspected...I loved about half of it, and found the rest unlistenable.

And if you go and listen to that 12/31/78 Darkstar objectively and w/an open mind, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.